Friday, May 14, 2010

What bullet grain should I use hunting elk in So CO with my Rem 300 Short Action Ultra Mag? Avg dist 1-300 yds

I'm using a 180 grain but to be honest the price difference from a 180 grain to a 165 grain box of shells is $30. If I could successfully use a 165 grain I would do it. What bullet grain should I use hunting elk in So CO with my Rem 300 Short Action Ultra Mag? Avg dist 1-300 yds
The answer is yes and no at the same time.


I have killed elk with a 30-06 in 165 grains. It truly depends on the bullet. I have shot Deer with 168gr, ballistic tips and not penetrated the entire body on a broadside shot.





What you need to buy is a bullet that will hold together in a big animal with tough hide like an elk. A bonded core is essential, or maybe a Barnes X.





The gun you bought is waaay more than you neen in the way of power. However if the bullet is constructed in such a manner as to give rapid explosive expansion, then it may not penitrate to the vitals well, if the shot is quartered away or towards regarless of its speed. What I suggest is that you get a bullet that will hold its integrity in a heavy animal, and I know its available in lighter than 180.





If you know that your shots are going to be 300 yards, then get a barnes x bullet in 150 to 165, and zero at 200. I would emagin(only because I do not have experience with a 300saum), that the lighter bullet will offer some flatter trajectory, and even allow for longer(350 yards), shots with the same drop of a 180 in the same caliber.





PS The difference in price of your two rounds is about what it costs for a box of hot high quality30-06 rounds. Makes a great argument for the versitility and economics of the ought 6.





Either way I wish you good luck.What bullet grain should I use hunting elk in So CO with my Rem 300 Short Action Ultra Mag? Avg dist 1-300 yds
If you are using a SAUM, you didn't buy it for the cheap shells, you bought it to shoot flat over a long distance. You are shopping at the wrong place if it costs $30 more for a box of Remington CLUB 180 gr shells over a box of Remington PSPCL 165gr shells. The difference should be less than $15 and is often only around $10 depending on where you shop.


The 180gr CLUB makes 3501 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle which is more than the lighter loads. If you are hunting Elk at 300 yards, just stick with the 180gr CLUB as that is what they are designed to do.
Actually, according to http://gunsandammomag.com/ballistics/, Federals 165 gr SP produces 2200 ft lbs of energy at 300 yards . . . and the Federal 180 gr SP only generates 2085 ft lbs of energy. Guess the decision is pretty obvious! HaHaHa . . . . Nope . . . there is a Winchester 180 gr SP listed in the same ballistics chart that produces 2439 ft lbs of energy at 300 yards; this is the most stopping power listed by those listed. Winchester also lists a 150 gr HP that produces 2285 ft lbs of energy at 300 yds. Personally, I鈥檇 go with a 180 gr triple shock if if 300 wsm were my weapon of choice, in many states you are required to use an expanding bullet, to ensure a clean kill. Although the bullet grain has a great deal to do with stopping power; what is more pertinent to me is sectional density and the ballistic coefficient, as they relate to accuracy and penetration. Check out my resources below if you wish.
Save your old brass from the range, burn a couple of boxes of the cheap ammo. Ask the other range users who might be reloading and have them load some 180 and some 220 grain rounds for you. That would probably be cheaper than factory rounds. Then use those at the range. Decide if the different loads are usable in your gun. For your hunt use the factory loads that seem right. I prefer a heavier round (220) for big animals, 180 is OK for deer, muleys, for elk a 220. Of course the Roosevelt are a larger size, 800+ dressed.
are you able to make the 300yard shot? That kind of shooting takes some range time and quite a few rounds expended.





I dont know how much you will invest in this hunt, rooms, gas , fees, guides,etc. I would hate to miss the shot of my life over a few bucks worth of ammo.





What bullet weight does your rifle shoot best at the distances your willing to take a shot at? Eithier weight will kill the elk...if it goes where you expect it to.





If I was shootin a expensive factory round I'd learn to reload for it. But what do I know....I tote a .30-06 that kills deer and elk for $18 a box...even cheaper if I roll my own with premium bullets.


Just my .02
I'd say 165's would be fine, I don't think the elk will notice the difference between a 150 gr. and 220 gr. bullet. I do highly recommend using the best bullet you can afford, Fail Safe's, Nosler Partition, Barnes X, but a good soft point would probably do the job just fine.
I think your comparing a premium bullet to a standard bullet for that difference in cost. If the rifle shoots well with the 180, I would stick with that.


You could look into reloading in the future or a slightly less expensive 180 grain bullet.
Yes a 165 premium bullet ( Nosler Partion, Barnes Triple Shock ) will work just fine if you put it in the Boiler Room, but I prefer a 180gr in my .300 Weatherby only because my rifle seems to like them better.
Find the one that patterns best out of your particular gun. Something in the 150 to 180 grain size would be recommended.
Short answer: 165 grain will do just fine. Go to the range and see for yourself.

Where can i watch good will hunting online? 10 pts?

besides alluc and that main one.. cuz it wont work for me...


imj desperate to watch itWhere can i watch good will hunting online? 10 pts?
http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/good_鈥?/a>





It's a neat site, let's you watch whatever you want.





Have fun.


:)Where can i watch good will hunting online? 10 pts?
here http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/good_鈥?/a>


if it doesn't work, just download Mozilla Firefox, and use it to watch the movie instead of internet explorer. Firefox is way better anyway
www.surfthechannel.com


(im sure its on there)
cartoon network.com



netflix lets u watch movies it might work
netflix or youtube i think
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  • Hunting property in michigan?

    i was looking to lease property in Michigan can any one help me?Hunting property in michigan?
    Any multi-list realtor should be able to help you.





    Also try the state Fish and Game departmentHunting property in michigan?
    Sean,





    You can look in most of the State on the Michigan Association of Realtors(R) website.





    http://mirealtors.com/content/searchforh鈥?/a>





    Some MLS's will allow you to search for leases by entering a low maximum sale price, others will have this information in their remarks.





    You can seach by map in my profile, please do not enter an email address.
    C'mon this is the information age,go on line and find a Realtor in that area.

    Math Word Problem! 5 people go hunting, one gets shot in the face, two get impeached, how many...,?

    Administration Officials are left?





    Please give the formula if possible, I hate word problems they are soo hard!!Math Word Problem! 5 people go hunting, one gets shot in the face, two get impeached, how many...,?
    2 are left to do the mopping up!!!!!!Math Word Problem! 5 people go hunting, one gets shot in the face, two get impeached, how many...,?
    same as before, assuming those who left are not admin officers.
    More than Democrats' 11% rating in Congress.





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    1 is shot


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    3 is impeached


    4 is charged


    5 is a statistical fluke
    the two left went back home to spend more time with their families???!!!

    Hunting camo realtree vs mossy oak?

    Okay, I have all mossy oak camo, but realtree seems to fit my area better. I figure that the difference in patterns is very minimal. I want to stick with mossy oak, is this okay? Note: I got a bear to come into 25 yards while wearing solid green pants and a solid orange hat, so I don't think the specific pattern matters that much.Hunting camo realtree vs mossy oak?
    Wear your preference.Hunting camo realtree vs mossy oak?
    Camo is Camo. deer dont necessarily see in color. they see only a few shades. The reason you sit in a blind or on a tree stand is that you have a backing, and that prevents them from seeing you. Personally i have mossy oak as well. As long as your hunting in a dense area then camo is good. if in snow or high high grass then they make other special patterns for those terrains
    CAMO IS A FASHION STATEMENT TODAY.TRUE THEY


    DO RESAERCH FOR EFFECT,BUT MOST PEOPLE BUY


    WHAT APPEAL TO THEIR OWN EYE. DEER HAVE NO BETTER VISION THAN WE DO,AND THEY ARE COLOR


    BLIND. THEIR EYES HAVING LARGER IRIS'S NOTICE


    MOVEMENT MORE READILY. IT'S THEIR NOSE YOU


    GOTTA WATCH OUT FOR AND THEY USE THOSE EARS


    TO LISTEN FOR WARNIG CALLS AND SOUNDS FROM


    ALARM SPECIES, SUCH AS SQIRRELS,MUNKS,TURKS,


    BIRDS.


    IF HUNTING IN DISIDUOUS FOREST USE A SPOTTY/


    BLOTCHY PATTERN . IF IN CONNIFER,USE STRIPES.


    REMEMBER,THEY KNOW WHAT SHOULD BE THERE


    OR WHAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE.


    BUT I LIKE NATURAL GEAR CAMO
    this really isn't answering your question but where i live you must have 360* safety orange.. mmhm but i wear the jackets with the black sticks going over the orange..haha i know you don't even care but hey I;m bored good luck
    Stick with mossy oak you will do just fine the brand of camo doesn't matter as long as your outline is broke up then it is no big deal.
    Mossey Oak is better camo.
    Bears can smell up to 5 miles, pattern do not matter!*
    color is not that important, motion is! just sit still and you can be dressed like a clown, it dosent really matter!

    I was wondering what the best hunting gun is preferably one for deer hunting.?

    You are going to get many different answers, so the first place to start is with cartridge choice. Most states have a minimum caliber/energy threshold for deer hunting that begins with the .243 Winchester cartridge. There are some states which allow .223 as a deer cartridge but you need to know that most people prefer something beyond the bare minimum for ethical and humane shots. There are a wide variety of deer/elk/bear/moose etc, cartridges that work very well, and if you decide to hunt species other than deer that would be the rifle to use on deer also. For example, I hunt both deer and elk so my cartridge choice is 30-06 Rem because it provides the best ballistic qualities I would want for both type animal over a proper hunting distance shot of 400 yards;which is near the edge of energy requirements and shooting abilities for most people and cartridges. Cartridge selection is also influenced by hunting terrain, I could be hunting anywhere from deep forest to high desert while in Idaho or Washington, other western states, so I want a cartridge/gun combination that matches the more extreme terrain. I could use a lever action 30-30 or 45-70 in the woods, but that isn't the choice if I might need a 300 yard shot on a 7 pointer. I have links to cartridge/game use below.





    As to type of rifle, bolt actions are easiest to understand,use and become proficient with. Bolt actions are ';usually';more inherently accurate than other actions. Each rifle also responds to ammo differently, so being accurate takes finding the proper bullet weight,powder charge and matching the gun barrel harmonics to shot well. In factory ammo that means trying a few types, with reloading it means working up a load. deer and other similar game need to be hit with a bullet that penetrates well, retains it's weight and transfers its energy to the animal, so a controlled expansion or quality bullet is best. BONDED bullets or Barnes type bullets are great for hunting bigger game.


    As for specific manufacturers, you have price ranges and products from single shot rifles near $250 to several thousands of dollars. Good entry level guns are from Savage/Stevens,Weatherby Vanguard/Howa 1500, Marlin XL-7, Mossberg, and Remington 700 ADLs. these are from $300 to $600 and can be found even at WalMarts for good prices, so it pays to look around. Better Savages, Remington and Ruger M77 plus Tikka and some CZ 550 are at the $500 mark and up. Brownings, Sako, Specific Remington models and others are at $700. There are a lot of guns above $1000, such as Nosler and Kimber.


    You should get a scope of good quality, so expect to spend $200 for a base Nikon, more for Leupold and other quality scopes. 3x9 40mm is pretty much the standard scope for deer hunting now.


    Personally, I am planning on getting my son a Tikka T3 in .270 and he will be good for deer and elk. I might just have him use the 30-06 with reduced recoil cartridges if he wants to do that. There is no need to buy a Magnum cartridge for deer hunting in N. America, but if you find a bargain deal on a rifle in 270 WSM that would be a great thing too.


    I've hunted since 1973, never had to take a 2nd shot at anything because I like shooting my rifle and I practice a lot. Key to good hunting is enjoying the rifle, and placing an ethical and humane shot in the right place.I was wondering what the best hunting gun is preferably one for deer hunting.?
    For hunting at close range (under 100 yards) then surely consider the Marlin lever gun chambered in 30/30........





    http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/C鈥?/a>





    For longer ranges over 100 yards consider a bolt action rifle chambered in .270.....





    http://www.remington.com/products/firear鈥?/a>I was wondering what the best hunting gun is preferably one for deer hunting.?
    A 12-gauge shotgun, with interchangeable barrels, would be a fine choice, especially if you live in a state in which hunting with rifles isn't allowed. (Illinois and Ohio come to mind.) You can use a rifled slug barrel for deer, then switch barrels for waterfowl or other birds.
    If by gun, you mean caliber... Anything from about a .243 up to a .35 in caliber will work fine.





    Most states allow semi auto rifles, while a few don't. You can also consider bolt action, pump, lever action or break action single shot. Good starter brands would be Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Marlin, Savage or Tikka.
    I myself prefer the 308 but you can use a 270 30-30 or 30-06 it really depends on the ranges you will be taken shots from and what your state allows and last but not least personal preference but you can check winchester.com and they can give you a rough guideline as to what rifle round can down what animals, plus you need to consider how available the rounds are in your area in my area 308 and 30-06 can be hard to get, so do your research before you choose
    Your question calls for an opinion. I believe that the .25-06 Remington is one of the very best deer calibers out there when using the 115 to 120 grain bullet. Mine is a Remington 700 ADL bought new in 1974 for less than $120. It is still my favorite deer rifle. Of course any caliber from say 6mm to .30-06 works well so long as the shooter does his part. Anything smaller than a .243 is too small for deer and anything bigger than a .30-06 is an over-kill.





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    Depends on where you're hunting. Some states only allow shotguns. If you know where you'll be hunting, you would get a lot better answer, specially if you live or hunt in an area that allows shotguns only.
    Everyone is going to say something different. I use a .270. It's more a personal preference.
    30-06 most versatile cartage and plentiful ammo
    I love my .270. A 30.06, .280, .243, and 7mm are all good choices.
    savage 111 30-06

    Is there any online education where it dosen't show ur degree as online when hunting for a job?

    i know this question maybe asked many times, but i suspect that online education is not as worthy as physical education when hunting for a job. so i would like a online university where it does not mentioned ';online education'; when getting my degree. can you help?Is there any online education where it dosen't show ur degree as online when hunting for a job?
    The perception that an online degree is not as worthy as an on-campus degree came from the early online colleges that weren't accredited. This isn't the case anymore. In fact, most major colleges and universities have online programs now.





    First, don't worry if the college says ';online'; or not. If an employer judges you by where you got your degree rather than judging you on your abilities, you don't want to work for them anyway. They are more interested in status than employees who actual provide useful skills.





    Second, research the schools you are considering, and make sure they are accredited by the same organizations that most colleges are accredited by. I know there are some national accreditation agencies and several regional accreditation agencies that you should look for. See the link below.





    Last, many online colleges hire the same instructors who teach their on-campus classes to teach online classes. I know this simply because I've done it. I've been teaching at the local community college for years, and I was asked to teach online classes for them as well. It's the same faculty. Plus, a lot of college classes are taught by adjuncts (part-time instructors). Most adjuncts teach at more than one college, so the person teaching your class could be teaching at Harvard as well for all you know.Is there any online education where it dosen't show ur degree as online when hunting for a job?
    If this concerns you, select an institution that offers both traditional and on-line delivery methods.





    Check out www.baker.edu out of Michigan.





    They have a large brick and mortar campus as well as a 100% on-line degree program.





    I rec'd my degree from the on-line program and my degree and transcript look just like those earned from the traditional program.





    It is a very affordable program at about $180.00 per credit hour.





    4 semesters per year with 6-week sessions per semester. If you can handle reading a ton of e-mail and blogs, on-line may be for you. But it is not a cake walk. There are a ton of assignments.





    Not only does my Fortune 200 employer accept the degree, they paid for!
    Everything The Grit says is true. I just wanted to add a few things. If you want a degree that doesn't indicate that you got it online, find a degree program at a state school. For example, an MBA degree from Florida State University has no mention of whether you completed the degree online or not. If you're looking for some good, inexpensive state schools, here are a few.





    Fort Hays State University - http://www.fhsu.edu/virtualcollege


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    All of the above are between $130 and $140 per semester credit hour, doesn't matter where you live.





    Good luck