From a stand- a .270 for long distance knockdown power.
in the brush- a .35 Rem, its like a 30-30 only it shoots a larger 225 grain round.What is the best deer hunting gun?
The best deer hunting gun is one that you feel comfortable with and that you are profient with when it comes to hitting your target.
Like I have told my own son's that it isn't the rifle by itself that drops the deer it is where you place the shot.
Any hunter needs to know his firearm and be able to shoot it with confidence, knowing that he is going to hit is mark.
I myself perfer a 30-06 and the reason for this is it is good for most long range shots (depending on the bullet used) and also for taking about any game, not just deer. The 30-06 has a variety of ammo out there on the market and of course I reload with for mine.
The 30-06 can take just about all game from ground hogs to black bear and possibley elk and moose. You just have to know your firearm and be good at shooting it and placing your crosshairs on the most humane spot to dispatch the animal quickly.What is the best deer hunting gun?
You will get a different opinion and different cartridge or reason from each answer but most people are getting it right. You want a cartridge,bullet,rifle combination that you can proficiently shoot to humanely harvest the deer in the environment YOU hunt. Many people will use a lever action 30-30 or 45-70 because they like the traditional look and feel and their shooting is within the range of those weapons. Shotguns are a viable gun for deer under similar conditions, where the range is close and you can get good shot placement.
I'm out west were the ranges open up and the opportunities for game other than deer influence the selection of caliber and type of rifle. I have a 30-06 so I can hunt deer,elk, bear and antelope with the same weapon. I use a bolt action because it has the inherent properties I need for my hunting environment, ease of use and accuracy to 300+ yards. I could use a .243 for deer only, and then a .338 Ultra Mag for moose,elk and bear, but I don't see the need. Just my opinion, but the 223 just isn't enough weapon for humane deer hunting, not enough energy and bullet weight on target for my taste.I know some states allow it, but its not for me.
So, best deer hunting gun is something between 243 and 458 Winchester, possibly in a pistol with 44 Mag or 454 or 460. Might be the 16 or 12 gauge slug gun.
There are a broad selection of guns out there. You can spend $300, you can spend $3000, just find the gun that matches your abilities to shoot with the need to be an ethical hunter.
A lot of people use a 30 -30 which is ok. They have no long distance range. I just bought a Remington model 700BDL .270 caliber. This gun is so nice. It has a wide range of shells which will allow you to be accurate up to three hundred or more yards depending on skill. I also purchased a new Nikon Pro staff BDS scope which has a dot system setup to be effective at 100, 200, 300 and 400 yards. This gun is great. I would recommend a .270 or a 30 x 06 which is a nice rifle. There are many other great guns for deer hunting depends on the environment. Long range a 7mm mag or 300 winchester short mag. Short range under 150yards 30-30 or even a shotgun. Hope this helps. Below is the gun I use. Total cost just under 1000.00 with scope and mounts.
The one that's comfortable to carry for 8+ hours, will not kick the hell out of you when you fire it, accurate enough to get the job done at the distance needed %26amp; matched to you so you can use it instead of wounding the animals.
I would say Bolt action and that's as far as I can go not knowing what size deer your hunting or what distance you will be shooting. I don't know your body size or you history with
firearms so anything else I would say would be simple BS until I have that info.
Send me an email with your intentions and I can help futher.
If there were one answer to that question, there wouldn't be so many choices. Different circumstances call for different rifles and caliber choices, and the best that you can do is come up with a reasonable compromise for what you're likely to run into. Personally, I have maybe a dozen ';deer rifles,'; not to mention revolvers I also use on occasion, and the best one of the bunch tends to be the one I almost decided to take before I picked up the one I have with me!
Close range --- A lever gun chambered in 30/30.....
For longer range a bolt action rifle chambered in .270.....
In shotgun only counties either a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500......
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Look over this Deer rifle article.........
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It depends on regulations where YOU live. Here in Ohio during gun week you can only use a shotgun or handgun.
I hunt with my 12 ga. 870 Express, scoped S%26amp;W 686 .357 with 8-3/8'; barrel, and T/C Contender with 10'; ported .357 barrel.
I'm sure you'll get a lot of different answers to this depending on what's legal where different answerers live/hunt.
Unless somebody is using a rimfire round or gun and ammo combo that is illegal, there's really no wrong answers here. I'm sure there be be some thumbs down to some answers simply because people have different opinions.
That is an impossible question to accurately answer. You will only get opinions.
The best gun for YOU will be one that fits you well, and one you enjoy practicing with. If you learn to shoot well, then your personal choice will end up being the best deer hunting gun.......in your opinion.
My personal favorite is a Remington 700 BDL in .25-06 Remington. Very accurate, light recoil, and fun to shoot.
it depends on your purposes. personally 1st i'd go with one you can carry a long time w/o your arm falling off. 2nd i'd find one realsonabbly priced 3rd depending on the size of the person shooting, the level of kick
then i'd bring these questions to your local gunshop (i use dick's sporting goods and have been extremely pleased with the experience and options there)
most of the hunting magazines do a yearly rating of the best hunting rifles in recent history, the common consensus is a Lever action 30-30, or a Remington 700 in 30-06.
Depends on the geography in which you are hunting. I like a .243 or 25-06 for open long range shots, and 30-30 or 30-06 for mixed or woods hunting.
Mine. It's a Remington 788 carbine with 16.5'; barrel in .243.
Just my opinion as it gets results every time for me. Tikka T3 .308
30-30. thats what i use.
For where? Brush or open country?
270. win
I use a 9mm rifle, pretty effective, blasts a hole the size of a large mans fist into their chest.
m-16
JK call the gun shop
Friday, May 14, 2010
Does Palin have a license to go Witch Doctor hunting?
I just told a guy that he asked the most idiotic question of the day. And then you topped him. Congratulations!!!Does Palin have a license to go Witch Doctor hunting?
I believe she's a card carrying voodoo hoodoo expert. Fire shoots from her fingertips.Does Palin have a license to go Witch Doctor hunting?
Is this what passes for humor in liberal circles? Pathetic.
Yes, she sure does. Maybe you had better keep looking back over your shoulder.
yeah! in Alaska, they call that ';shopping for health insurance';.
Does that mean Obama's life is in danger?
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lol, why would she want one of those? Then the witchcraft would get her
I believe she's a card carrying voodoo hoodoo expert. Fire shoots from her fingertips.Does Palin have a license to go Witch Doctor hunting?
Is this what passes for humor in liberal circles? Pathetic.
Yes, she sure does. Maybe you had better keep looking back over your shoulder.
yeah! in Alaska, they call that ';shopping for health insurance';.
Does that mean Obama's life is in danger?
.
lol, why would she want one of those? Then the witchcraft would get her
Colorado Elk Archery Hunting?
I booked a fully guided bowhunt on the Cross Mountain Ranch in northwest Colorado. It will be archery only in the middle of September. Has anyone ever hunted on this ranch? They participate in the ranching for wildlife program so i understand that it will be tough to find an elk over 300';. Any info would be appreciated.
Please post answers only related with my question. I dont care about public hunting and finding public land.Colorado Elk Archery Hunting?
If your hunting for a good size elk in colorado, northwest colorado is as good as any place in CO. If your looking for large elk and are willing to pay the non-resident fee (about the same as CO.) you may want to look into the northeast mountains of Arizona. There are twice the numbers (maybe more) large elk in AZ. Stay away from hunt units 5 and 6, look over in the white mountain ( greens peak, middle mountain, alpine ) areas and you'll find elk that will go over 300. There are some outfitters around alpine or get ahold of griffins in reserve New mexico, as they have a good handle on those parts of AZ... Colorado isn't all that its cracked up to be..... Wyoming, Arizona and Montana have alot better hunting and anywhere in CO.Colorado Elk Archery Hunting?
So, you booked a fully guided hunt, most likely with an expectation of a ';guaranteed'; trophy....
Well, I hope you get your trophy elk, but don't be at all surprised if the elk stay out of sight -- or at least, out of range of your bow. If you don't listen to your guide, and do what he/she tells you, you will end up being mightily dissapointed with your hunt.
And hunting ain't just about ';trophies'; either -- most of the fun is just bein' out there. If all you want is something to hang on your wall, go buy a trophy.
Please post answers only related with my question. I dont care about public hunting and finding public land.Colorado Elk Archery Hunting?
If your hunting for a good size elk in colorado, northwest colorado is as good as any place in CO. If your looking for large elk and are willing to pay the non-resident fee (about the same as CO.) you may want to look into the northeast mountains of Arizona. There are twice the numbers (maybe more) large elk in AZ. Stay away from hunt units 5 and 6, look over in the white mountain ( greens peak, middle mountain, alpine ) areas and you'll find elk that will go over 300. There are some outfitters around alpine or get ahold of griffins in reserve New mexico, as they have a good handle on those parts of AZ... Colorado isn't all that its cracked up to be..... Wyoming, Arizona and Montana have alot better hunting and anywhere in CO.Colorado Elk Archery Hunting?
So, you booked a fully guided hunt, most likely with an expectation of a ';guaranteed'; trophy....
Well, I hope you get your trophy elk, but don't be at all surprised if the elk stay out of sight -- or at least, out of range of your bow. If you don't listen to your guide, and do what he/she tells you, you will end up being mightily dissapointed with your hunt.
And hunting ain't just about ';trophies'; either -- most of the fun is just bein' out there. If all you want is something to hang on your wall, go buy a trophy.
Is there a way that i can be able to have and use a gun for hunting if i have a felony conviction in oklahoma?
i was convicted of a drug offense in oklahoma was put on probation for 10 years i am no longer on probationIs there a way that i can be able to have and use a gun for hunting if i have a felony conviction in oklahoma?
I dont think that felons are allowed to own guns, well thats how it is in my state it might be like that for the whole country.Is there a way that i can be able to have and use a gun for hunting if i have a felony conviction in oklahoma?
As a convicted felon you are not allowed to own or carry or poses a firearm. Federal Law.
Depends who you want to hunt.
no.. as a felon you have lost that right..
try bow huntingmakeup tutorial
I dont think that felons are allowed to own guns, well thats how it is in my state it might be like that for the whole country.Is there a way that i can be able to have and use a gun for hunting if i have a felony conviction in oklahoma?
As a convicted felon you are not allowed to own or carry or poses a firearm. Federal Law.
Depends who you want to hunt.
no.. as a felon you have lost that right..
try bow hunting
I want to get me a new hunting dog, But I want to give a unique name , It will be a hunting dog?
Buk sounds like a winner.
Lou
Fag
Dog
Mutt
Bam
Sam
Tit
Goo
Spam
Jack
Bum
HogI want to get me a new hunting dog, But I want to give a unique name , It will be a hunting dog?
What KIND of hunting dog?
German Short hair pointer
German Wire Hair pointer
English setter
English pointer
Portuguese Water Spaniel
Black and Tan coon hound
Red Tick Coon hound
Labrador Retriever
Golden Retriever
Irish Wolf Hound
yada yada yada etc etc etc...
I think you should name it Mr. Fluffy McCuddlebugI want to get me a new hunting dog, But I want to give a unique name , It will be a hunting dog?
Achiever
Bullseye
What kind of hunting dog
our beagles %26amp; coon dogs had ordinary names like Bo,Dan, Sam
How about Zor, or Rum,
Tralfaze or Belvidere.
Gunther
gator
Beer
Duck???
FETCH!!
How about Rex?
Lou
Fag
Dog
Mutt
Bam
Sam
Tit
Goo
Spam
Jack
Bum
HogI want to get me a new hunting dog, But I want to give a unique name , It will be a hunting dog?
What KIND of hunting dog?
German Short hair pointer
German Wire Hair pointer
English setter
English pointer
Portuguese Water Spaniel
Black and Tan coon hound
Red Tick Coon hound
Labrador Retriever
Golden Retriever
Irish Wolf Hound
yada yada yada etc etc etc...
I think you should name it Mr. Fluffy McCuddlebugI want to get me a new hunting dog, But I want to give a unique name , It will be a hunting dog?
Achiever
Bullseye
What kind of hunting dog
our beagles %26amp; coon dogs had ordinary names like Bo,Dan, Sam
How about Zor, or Rum,
Tralfaze or Belvidere.
Gunther
gator
Beer
Duck???
FETCH!!
How about Rex?
What Do You Need To Have To Buy An Hunting Rifle?
Like Liscense Ownership stuff like that Pleaseeee!!!What Do You Need To Have To Buy An Hunting Rifle?
License and if your address is not the same as your license you'll need some other form of identification such as vehicle registration. You must be at least 18 years of age.What Do You Need To Have To Buy An Hunting Rifle?
Well, it depends on your state of residence and if you have any criminal or mental issues that would restrict you from passing the Fed background check. Here in North Carolina, if you buy a rifle at Wally-World, say a Remington Model 770, you must be a resident of the state, be at least 18 years of age and be able to pass the instant Fed background check.
If you live in a free state in the US, you save up some money, wait until you are 18, and then go to a gun store and find one you like. You fill out a 4473 and the dealer calls it in. If you pass, you pay for the firearm and are on your way. Any other place, and your mileage will vary with the number of hoops you have to jump through.
...and we're supposed to guess where you live or are we supposed to give answers for every possibility? Try thinking a little before writing a ';question';.
With the information you gave the best answer I can give would be ';money';... but I suspect you knew that... but I could be wrong.
In most US states, if you're 18, all you need is money, a state ID, and a clean criminal record. There are a few, like Illinois and New Jersey where you need a license to buy a gun.
Most states allow you to be the age of 18. Please check with your local Police or Sheriff's Department... or go to your State's web site.
depends on where you live in most states in the US you just walk into a gun store and buy one with your ID for a background check
License and if your address is not the same as your license you'll need some other form of identification such as vehicle registration. You must be at least 18 years of age.What Do You Need To Have To Buy An Hunting Rifle?
Well, it depends on your state of residence and if you have any criminal or mental issues that would restrict you from passing the Fed background check. Here in North Carolina, if you buy a rifle at Wally-World, say a Remington Model 770, you must be a resident of the state, be at least 18 years of age and be able to pass the instant Fed background check.
If you live in a free state in the US, you save up some money, wait until you are 18, and then go to a gun store and find one you like. You fill out a 4473 and the dealer calls it in. If you pass, you pay for the firearm and are on your way. Any other place, and your mileage will vary with the number of hoops you have to jump through.
...and we're supposed to guess where you live or are we supposed to give answers for every possibility? Try thinking a little before writing a ';question';.
With the information you gave the best answer I can give would be ';money';... but I suspect you knew that... but I could be wrong.
In most US states, if you're 18, all you need is money, a state ID, and a clean criminal record. There are a few, like Illinois and New Jersey where you need a license to buy a gun.
Most states allow you to be the age of 18. Please check with your local Police or Sheriff's Department... or go to your State's web site.
depends on where you live in most states in the US you just walk into a gun store and buy one with your ID for a background check
I'm working on a debate for inhumane deer hunting...any arguments or ideas?
Today, hunters and sportsmen are responible for the protection of endangered species and their habitat more than any other single group of people. In the past, however, several species were hunted to, or near, extinction. Furbearears, such as seals, beaver and otters, were highly valued for their pelts, and were trapped to near extinction by generations of over harvest. The bison (American buffalo) was nearly wiped off the face of the earth by over zealous fur traders and sportsmen mearly intent on killing to kill. The passenger pigeon was once the most populous bird in N. America and was hunted to extinction. (Plenty of info on this if googled.... http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-905鈥?/a> ). All of these sad stories and many more are a part of our heritage as hunters, whether we like to admit it, or not. Our forefathers saw the seemingly limitless supply of wild game, and took it for granted. They thought nothing of future generations or their impact on the environment. They never thought that humans had the potential to wipe out species, once, so great in number. Some killed simply to provide for themselves and their families, others used our abundant, yet delicate, natural resources, in search of the almighty dollar. If you read the link I posted, you will see that train loads of passenger pigeons were sent to cities, like New York, destined for the marketplace. These consumers did not see the dwindleing numbers of precious wildlife, only food to be conveniently purchased and consumed. Much like society today, their purposeful ignorance caused much of the problem. How often do people think of where their food comes from? They just buy it at Mcdonalds or the grocery store, and take it for granted. They don't physically see the rain forest being destroyed, so they do not worry about it. Acres upon acres burned or bulldozed, displacing and endangering millions of wild animals, all so gluttonous Americans can order off the dollar menu.
Luckily, things have changed. Rather than destroying wildlife, modern outdoorsmen are the first line of defense in protecting it. We have become the guardians of the woods and stewards of the wilderness. We have learned from our forefathers mistakes. Animals are harvested only when necessary, and only when nature can support it. Hunters pay for thousands upon thousands of acres of wildlife habitat for all to enjoy, including the game we hunt and love. We are responsible for the majority of effort in keeping all species alive and well, to be enjoyed now, and for generations to come. Ducks Unlimited, and Trout Unlimited, along with a multitude of other like minded organizations have saved many species of waterfowl from catastrophic ends. The problem of ignorance, sadly, remains. Many people, especially those in urban areas, see hunters as blood thirsty savages, intent only on killing to kill. They do not see the benefits hunters provide. Almost every time you, camp, or hike in a wildlife refuge, hunters helped pay for it. Hunters, in fact, pay the lion's share of all land put aside for wildlife, and continue to pay for conserving the wildlife in it. The white tail deer that you mentioned is probably the poorest example to use for hunting to extinction. It is now more populous than ever, and the herd has reached record numbers. Deer are doing so well that without hunters they would be in dire danger of disease caused by over population, as well as starvation. Hunting, which was at one time the bane of wild creatures big and small, is now their saving grace! I am proud to say, you will have a hard time pinpointing hunting as the cause of any population problems wildlife suffers from. Especially in the case of white tail deer. Wildlife conservation,in my mind, began with Teddy Roosevelt, but does not end there. It endures with every hunter to take the field in pursuit of the animals we love.I'm working on a debate for inhumane deer hunting...any arguments or ideas?
i live in PA and idiots out there that move from the city feed the deer and give them shelter from the hunters. deer need to be hunted and natural hunters like wolfs need to be brought back . and i don't want to hear that argurment about ';that they were here before us'; because if you want to go that way then move out of your house because deer where all over the country..they even have deer in the bronx.I'm working on a debate for inhumane deer hunting...any arguments or ideas?
Elk County Pennsylvania is named for the noble animal that once abounded in the region in great numbers, but rapid settlement and exploitation by early immigrants destroyed the herds.* By 1867, Elk had been completely eliminated from the State of Pennsylvania.* Unregulated hunting and habitat loss were the biggest factors leading to their demise.* .....The Pennsylvania Game Commission introduced Rocky Mountain Elk in the State from 1913 through 1926.* 177 were trapped and transferred Yellowstone National Park, and a Private Reserve in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, and released in central and Northeastern Pennsylvania. Only the North- Central releases were successful.* '; Today the herd now numbers more than 800 as of February 12th 2008.......
If the hunter takes a good clean shot the deer will die before it hits the ground. This is true for both rifle/shotgun/muzzle loader and Bow hunting. I have seen Bow hunters make a good shot and the deer ran 10' and piled up DEAD. 10' is the body acting on adrenaline and muscle memory only. This is much faster than the slow lingering death PETA causes by breaking into labs and stealing animals being used in drug trials.
What is inhumane is the fact that PETA KILLED 97% of the animals it took into its shelters.
While living in NJ PETA broke in to a game farm that raised phesents and dove for hunting. They let all the birds go and 90+% of them died that night from being hit by cars of because they did not know how to get away from predators. These are the people who are against hunting in any way.
Deer will overpopulate without hunters. Plus my uncle and his family probably would have went hungry without it.
I don't hunt myself, but I grew up where hunting is very common.
My take on it is, there are some people for whom hunting is very important survival-wise - they get their quota, and that feeds them for the remainder of the winter. I'm okay with that.
There are others who just hunt for sport, to get the rack on the wall, and don't need the meat. I dislike that.
You buy chicken in the store, a chicken died for you to eat it. So, if you shoot a deer for food for many months, it's not much different (and is cost effective). It feeds you.
If you just shoot it to get your rocks off, that's cruel.
I think if you're going to kill an animal, do it for the time-old reason of creating a food source. If you'll eat it, that's fine.
If you just want to kill for the sake of killing, I'm totally against that.
here we go.....
what argument are you bringing to the table%26gt;%26gt; more specifics please
There is no question that in earlier times, man was responsible for the demise of several species of animal. IN those days, the animal population was viewed as being infinite in number. There were no game laws and people were just not as aware of their effect on the animal herds. Now, with modern herd management and game laws, animals are no longer being hunted to extinction. In fact, the money that is raised from the sale of ammo, guns, etc. has not only brought many of these animals back from the brink of extinction, they are now flourishing. Actually, when you look at animals over the long haul, man has had an extremely minor affect on their becoming extinct. By far the greatest cause of extinction has been loss of habitat and climatic changes.
Well, whitetail deer were almost extinct in Arkansas. The estimated population around the time of the great depression was only a few thousand.
But thanks to the effort of conservative minded hunters the deer population is now estimated at around 2 million.
Let ';PETA'; put that in there pipes and smoke it.
Miketyson26
which side are you taking? I'd help, but first I need to know your answer.
For deer hunting we have a conservation set up where we can control the number of deer we harvest in a year. and like someone said natural predators have been eliminated in some areas. but the government has been reintroducing predators into those places. a good example is the wolves in Idaho. They were reintroduced in the mid 90's and because they are considered an endangered species they cannot be shot. Because of this the deer and elk population has been steadily decreasing, increasing the possibility that deer and elk might not survive in Idaho much longer.
If you are looking for against, then you won't find nothing here. If it is for, then you probably already read enough to fill 12 pages by now.
Have you ever been deer hunting? What do you mean by inhumane? If properly trained there is nothing inhumane about it.
It really depends on where you are hunting. Some places really don't have a lot of deer but am from ND and we have deer around every corner so for us to hunt them its no big deal because they are so over populated. What you need to be careful of is the people who go out there and kill the deer and just leave them right there don't take them or eat just leave them where they killed them. They way it works in ND is you have to apply for a license and tags if they have them you will get one. For bucks you go into a lottery and then you find out if you get a tag for a buck. For bucks you have to apply really early to make sure you get one. So as far as being inhumane well it just depends on where you are hunting how many deer there are and how people are know for there hunting? Do some research on how many deer were found were you live that were just left there that will help you find out about your own state. Another good thing would be to call the game and fish department were you live and ask them that question to see what they have say.
I don't think anyone here would debate for, or in favor of, inhumane deer hunting.
The most inhumane method I can think of is to ignore them.
Allow them to overpopulate an area and die from disease and starvation. The lucky ones will get hit by cars, or be shot because they are destroying someone's garden, but most will die a slow and lingering death by starvation.
The best way to prevent this from happening is to promote sport hunting. Sport hunters thin the deer herd to a sustainable level in the most humane possible way.
Doc Hudson
A person who eats meat, has no right to critisize hunters. Believe killing a deer with a well placed round is much more humane than the way most slaughter houses kill cows! Many drive rods through the cows ears, which is much slower than a bullet. Cows in line to be slaughtered smell the blood, hear the sounds of other cows in death throws. Deer usually die quickly, if not instantly, experiencing no fear before their death. Without hunting, deer populations reach numbers that cause them to die from deseases such has chronic wasting desease, blue tongue, etc. Also as populations rise, there are more deaths to dear and people from traffic accidents. Dear populations, by the way are estimated to be higher now than even at the times of the pilgrims.
Deer are responsible for more deaths in the United States than any other animal. About 150 people per year die from automobile accidents involving deer. So which, is more inhumane killing humans or killing overpopulated deer?
always take well aimed shots
my Idea of inhumane deer hunting is when some one takes a shot that they are doubting they can take cleanly which usually ends up that they are searching for a wounded deer all day
If you are thinking that hunting causes extinction, you need to become educated. There are more deer in North America today than when our forefathers landed here hundreds of years ago. That is the honest truth. Hunting is anecessary management tool, and the money spent by hunters helps a number of conservation organizations.
I'm Pro- Inhumane deer hunting. Shot a deer in the leg and when they can't run poke them with sticks. That would be Inhumane.
Natural predators have been eliminated from many environments, allowing deer to overpopulate. Humane hunting is an effective control that also can generate revenue for conservation programs.
Yet again, another clown with a ';debate'; working on a ';project';.
Post this on the bunny ranch please.
Luckily, things have changed. Rather than destroying wildlife, modern outdoorsmen are the first line of defense in protecting it. We have become the guardians of the woods and stewards of the wilderness. We have learned from our forefathers mistakes. Animals are harvested only when necessary, and only when nature can support it. Hunters pay for thousands upon thousands of acres of wildlife habitat for all to enjoy, including the game we hunt and love. We are responsible for the majority of effort in keeping all species alive and well, to be enjoyed now, and for generations to come. Ducks Unlimited, and Trout Unlimited, along with a multitude of other like minded organizations have saved many species of waterfowl from catastrophic ends. The problem of ignorance, sadly, remains. Many people, especially those in urban areas, see hunters as blood thirsty savages, intent only on killing to kill. They do not see the benefits hunters provide. Almost every time you, camp, or hike in a wildlife refuge, hunters helped pay for it. Hunters, in fact, pay the lion's share of all land put aside for wildlife, and continue to pay for conserving the wildlife in it. The white tail deer that you mentioned is probably the poorest example to use for hunting to extinction. It is now more populous than ever, and the herd has reached record numbers. Deer are doing so well that without hunters they would be in dire danger of disease caused by over population, as well as starvation. Hunting, which was at one time the bane of wild creatures big and small, is now their saving grace! I am proud to say, you will have a hard time pinpointing hunting as the cause of any population problems wildlife suffers from. Especially in the case of white tail deer. Wildlife conservation,in my mind, began with Teddy Roosevelt, but does not end there. It endures with every hunter to take the field in pursuit of the animals we love.I'm working on a debate for inhumane deer hunting...any arguments or ideas?
i live in PA and idiots out there that move from the city feed the deer and give them shelter from the hunters. deer need to be hunted and natural hunters like wolfs need to be brought back . and i don't want to hear that argurment about ';that they were here before us'; because if you want to go that way then move out of your house because deer where all over the country..they even have deer in the bronx.I'm working on a debate for inhumane deer hunting...any arguments or ideas?
Elk County Pennsylvania is named for the noble animal that once abounded in the region in great numbers, but rapid settlement and exploitation by early immigrants destroyed the herds.* By 1867, Elk had been completely eliminated from the State of Pennsylvania.* Unregulated hunting and habitat loss were the biggest factors leading to their demise.* .....The Pennsylvania Game Commission introduced Rocky Mountain Elk in the State from 1913 through 1926.* 177 were trapped and transferred Yellowstone National Park, and a Private Reserve in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, and released in central and Northeastern Pennsylvania. Only the North- Central releases were successful.* '; Today the herd now numbers more than 800 as of February 12th 2008.......
If the hunter takes a good clean shot the deer will die before it hits the ground. This is true for both rifle/shotgun/muzzle loader and Bow hunting. I have seen Bow hunters make a good shot and the deer ran 10' and piled up DEAD. 10' is the body acting on adrenaline and muscle memory only. This is much faster than the slow lingering death PETA causes by breaking into labs and stealing animals being used in drug trials.
What is inhumane is the fact that PETA KILLED 97% of the animals it took into its shelters.
While living in NJ PETA broke in to a game farm that raised phesents and dove for hunting. They let all the birds go and 90+% of them died that night from being hit by cars of because they did not know how to get away from predators. These are the people who are against hunting in any way.
Deer will overpopulate without hunters. Plus my uncle and his family probably would have went hungry without it.
I don't hunt myself, but I grew up where hunting is very common.
My take on it is, there are some people for whom hunting is very important survival-wise - they get their quota, and that feeds them for the remainder of the winter. I'm okay with that.
There are others who just hunt for sport, to get the rack on the wall, and don't need the meat. I dislike that.
You buy chicken in the store, a chicken died for you to eat it. So, if you shoot a deer for food for many months, it's not much different (and is cost effective). It feeds you.
If you just shoot it to get your rocks off, that's cruel.
I think if you're going to kill an animal, do it for the time-old reason of creating a food source. If you'll eat it, that's fine.
If you just want to kill for the sake of killing, I'm totally against that.
here we go.....
what argument are you bringing to the table%26gt;%26gt; more specifics please
There is no question that in earlier times, man was responsible for the demise of several species of animal. IN those days, the animal population was viewed as being infinite in number. There were no game laws and people were just not as aware of their effect on the animal herds. Now, with modern herd management and game laws, animals are no longer being hunted to extinction. In fact, the money that is raised from the sale of ammo, guns, etc. has not only brought many of these animals back from the brink of extinction, they are now flourishing. Actually, when you look at animals over the long haul, man has had an extremely minor affect on their becoming extinct. By far the greatest cause of extinction has been loss of habitat and climatic changes.
Well, whitetail deer were almost extinct in Arkansas. The estimated population around the time of the great depression was only a few thousand.
But thanks to the effort of conservative minded hunters the deer population is now estimated at around 2 million.
Let ';PETA'; put that in there pipes and smoke it.
Miketyson26
which side are you taking? I'd help, but first I need to know your answer.
For deer hunting we have a conservation set up where we can control the number of deer we harvest in a year. and like someone said natural predators have been eliminated in some areas. but the government has been reintroducing predators into those places. a good example is the wolves in Idaho. They were reintroduced in the mid 90's and because they are considered an endangered species they cannot be shot. Because of this the deer and elk population has been steadily decreasing, increasing the possibility that deer and elk might not survive in Idaho much longer.
If you are looking for against, then you won't find nothing here. If it is for, then you probably already read enough to fill 12 pages by now.
Have you ever been deer hunting? What do you mean by inhumane? If properly trained there is nothing inhumane about it.
It really depends on where you are hunting. Some places really don't have a lot of deer but am from ND and we have deer around every corner so for us to hunt them its no big deal because they are so over populated. What you need to be careful of is the people who go out there and kill the deer and just leave them right there don't take them or eat just leave them where they killed them. They way it works in ND is you have to apply for a license and tags if they have them you will get one. For bucks you go into a lottery and then you find out if you get a tag for a buck. For bucks you have to apply really early to make sure you get one. So as far as being inhumane well it just depends on where you are hunting how many deer there are and how people are know for there hunting? Do some research on how many deer were found were you live that were just left there that will help you find out about your own state. Another good thing would be to call the game and fish department were you live and ask them that question to see what they have say.
I don't think anyone here would debate for, or in favor of, inhumane deer hunting.
The most inhumane method I can think of is to ignore them.
Allow them to overpopulate an area and die from disease and starvation. The lucky ones will get hit by cars, or be shot because they are destroying someone's garden, but most will die a slow and lingering death by starvation.
The best way to prevent this from happening is to promote sport hunting. Sport hunters thin the deer herd to a sustainable level in the most humane possible way.
Doc Hudson
A person who eats meat, has no right to critisize hunters. Believe killing a deer with a well placed round is much more humane than the way most slaughter houses kill cows! Many drive rods through the cows ears, which is much slower than a bullet. Cows in line to be slaughtered smell the blood, hear the sounds of other cows in death throws. Deer usually die quickly, if not instantly, experiencing no fear before their death. Without hunting, deer populations reach numbers that cause them to die from deseases such has chronic wasting desease, blue tongue, etc. Also as populations rise, there are more deaths to dear and people from traffic accidents. Dear populations, by the way are estimated to be higher now than even at the times of the pilgrims.
Deer are responsible for more deaths in the United States than any other animal. About 150 people per year die from automobile accidents involving deer. So which, is more inhumane killing humans or killing overpopulated deer?
always take well aimed shots
my Idea of inhumane deer hunting is when some one takes a shot that they are doubting they can take cleanly which usually ends up that they are searching for a wounded deer all day
If you are thinking that hunting causes extinction, you need to become educated. There are more deer in North America today than when our forefathers landed here hundreds of years ago. That is the honest truth. Hunting is anecessary management tool, and the money spent by hunters helps a number of conservation organizations.
I'm Pro- Inhumane deer hunting. Shot a deer in the leg and when they can't run poke them with sticks. That would be Inhumane.
Natural predators have been eliminated from many environments, allowing deer to overpopulate. Humane hunting is an effective control that also can generate revenue for conservation programs.
Yet again, another clown with a ';debate'; working on a ';project';.
Post this on the bunny ranch please.
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